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Posted by lapsekili
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6/27/2008
07:28:50

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Subject: f5 as a response to e4

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I wondered if there is a response to f5 as an opening.Do you know an opening like that?Someone plays 1...f5 against 1.d4 but is it playable against e4?

Maybe someone thinks i ask a stupid question but it is enough to look at my rating to predict how much chess knowladge i have:D

Regards,


Posted by nemesis1010
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6/27/2008
13:10:12

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Fred Defence

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Officially it's called the Fred Defence but it is one of the weakest responses possible, due to it exposing the king on a weak diagonal, and therefore hardly ever seen. It's also a response that can lead to the quickest possible checkmate for white, (consider for example 1. e4 f5 2. Nc3 g5 3.Qh5# ...). In other words, it's pretty much unplayable :)

Now I wonder what would happen with a themed Mini-Tournament based on this opening?


Posted by tim_b
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6/27/2008
14:55:46

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I recommend running such possibilities through the database to see where they may be headed.
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Posted by ionadowman
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6/27/2008
16:35:45

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Fred Defence...

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The only example I've found so far (not looking into the GK database) went
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Kf7??!! 3.d4 d5 4.Qh5+ g6 5.fxg6+ Kg7 6.Bd3 etc. A bit like the King's Own Gambit (a.k.a. the Tumbleweed Opening) with colours reversed (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Kf2 Qh4+ etc.

The Fred Defence game quoted ended in a draw when White couldn't (?) find the win in a N+3P vs R ending:
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(Not that it's so easy to find. It looks as though White's K will have to retreat to the back rank in order to free the knight to move to f2)

But before that Black had to survive the middle game and early ending 3 and even 4 pawns to the bad before the win of the exchange game him any kind of chance at all. To be honest, the whole game looks a little bit sus to me.

I think Black can do better to get a playable game:
1.e4 f5?! 2.exf5 Nf6 (Natural and good)
3.d4 d5 4.Bd3 c5 (threatens to dislocate the d3-bishop)
Now White has three good options in:
[A] 5.dxc5 e5 (making a bid for a solid chunk of the centre) 6.fxe6+ Bxc5
7.Qe2 (say) Qb6 and Black picks up the advanced e-pawn. Black has a slight lead in development, and a larger share of the centre, but White's game is solid and he has a pawn extra. I think this position is playable for both sides.

[B] 5.g4
(White allows the bishop to be hit, whilst protecting the advanced f-pawn betimes. White intends a general infantry attavk of Black's K-side).
5...c4 6.Be2 h6 (to restrain White's g-pawn) 7.f4 (to reinforce the g-pawn's advance) 7...e6 (counterattacking the salient White has driven into his position)
8.g5 hxg5 9.fxg5 Ne4
A complicated and interesting position!

[C] 5.c3 (this would be the first move I would think of: it seems the most "natural")
5...c4!? 6.Bc2 e6 7.fxe6 Bxe6 8.Qe2 Qe7 9.Nf3 Nc6 10.Bf4
I rather prefer White's game in this line. Maybe Black's 5...c4 is too strategically compromising.

So much for my own investigations into this opening. Has anyone any theory on it?
Cheers,
Ion


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Posted by ionadowman
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6/27/2008
16:50:55

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I've just had a quick squizz...

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... at the World Database on GK. It gives 4 examples of the Fred Defence. Blow me down if in three of them Black doesn't play 2...Kf7! One such epic encounter went
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Kf7 3.Qh5+ g6 4.fxg6+ Kg7
5.gxh7 Rxh7 6.Qg5+ Kf7 7.Qf5+ Kg7 8.Qg5+ Draw!

The fourth game went
1.e4 f5 2.exf5 Nf6 3.d4 d5 4.g3 ...

lapsekill, if you want to try the Fred, it would seem you have virgin territory to explore. The MT idea of nemesis1010 is a good one. I might be interested...

Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by lapsekili
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6/29/2008
04:41:38

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I think it transpoze to latvian gambit.

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1.e4 f5
2.exf5 e5
3.Af3 Ac6

It looks like latvian gambit i think and it seems playable.
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Posted by ganstaman
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6/29/2008
06:55:00

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lapsekili

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After 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 e5, white just plays 3. fxe6 e.p., preventing the transposition and reaching a superior position.
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Chess: How to continue the attack? — Sometimes the way ahead is obvious, sometimes a little more obscure... RB The position arose from a Sicilian and, racking my memory, I vaguely recall that there are sometimes sacrifices on e6 and b5 in similar set-ups. So I looked, first, at 1 Ndxb5 (or 1 Ncxb5), but after 1...axb5 2 Nxb5 Qc6, Black has a knight for two pawns and White still has no attack. I then looked at 1 Nxe6, but again after 1...Bxe6 2 Bxe6 (what else?) fxe6 Black was, once more, ahead on material and under no threat. 1 Nf5 doesn't do anything either, apart from lose a piece for even less material, and 1 a4 is answered by 1...b4. The pawn on e4 is obviously a target, but ...
Posted by lapsekili
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7/01/2008
02:54:05

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okay

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yes i have forgetten it sorry!

Posted by ketchuplover
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7/04/2008
16:03:59

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I've won with the fred. Unfortunately I've lost more and have abandoned it...for now.