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| From | Message | Posted by johnholland ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 05:40:29 | Subject: bishop&knight vs. lonely king
Message: The technique for mating the lonely king with bishop and knight is easy once you have the king in the corner with opposite color of the bishop. However i find it rather difficult driving the king to that corner by force from an arbitrary start position. Is there a general technique for accomplishing that ?
thanks for your help
JH
| Posted by bafverfeldt1981 ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 06:46:59 | yes
Message: Practise it.
There is some technique regarding triangle thinking...
however just imagine red squares where the other king can't go and force him to the last rank. afterthat remember that it is possible to checkmate anywhere on the last rank if the king won't move to the corner where the bishop can mate it.
| Posted by brunetti ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 08:40:52 | No!
Message: it's possible only if he plays bad moves; you can force mate ONLY on the Bishop's color (not the opposite, John) corner.
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Posted by absolutegenius ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 09:02:45 | brunetti
Message: i've seen some GM (i think, they were at least IM's-one was played in 1995, in budapest, Enders (2480-Muir (2340))games where there has been a winner. also, the knight should move little, and should be on the same colour of squares as the bishop as to attack the opposite colour.
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Posted by bafverfeldt1981 ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 09:05:10 | brunetti
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Posted by brunetti ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 09:10:32 | I misunderstood.
Message: What do you understand from "remember that it is possible to checkmate anywhere on the last rank if the king won't move to the corner where the bishop can mate it"? :)
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Posted by bafverfeldt1981 ability-tw.com
8/21/2002 12:56:24 | Everything
Message: since I wrote it ;). It's ok english.
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Posted by johnholland ability-tw.com
8/22/2002 09:35:47 | to all
Message: Absolutegenius is quoting from the book "Essential Chess Endings" by James Howell (you might have mentionded that) which presents the example that you are talking about. That was not the question. The question is " Is there a general technique for driving the king into the opposite colored corner, (or lets say to the edge of the board)". I know the mate should be in the same colored corner as the bishop. Once you have him in the other corner, you can drive him there by forced moves.
| Posted by bafverfeldt1981 ability-tw.com
8/22/2002 11:32:39 | jh
Message: This was discussed quite a while back and as I said I read something about a triangle thinking technique, I think mentioned from tonlesu or calmrolfe (the two undiputed masters of chess history here).
Myself I think in redsquares (squares that opp. king cannot step on).
| Posted by calmrolfe ability-tw.com
8/22/2002 15:19:54 | For a short explanation
Message: of checkmate techniques using Bishop and Knight you could try here....
users.ox.ac.uk/~sedm0500/articles/bishop_knight_mate.html
Oscar I seem to remember keying in the full technique for achieving this checkmate starting right from the worst possible position, maybe round about September 2001 ? Unfortunately I didn't save it on my wordprocessor and sadly I don't have time to key it all in again. :(
Kind regards,
Cal
| Posted by bafverfeldt1981 ability-tw.com
8/22/2002 15:25:20 | Cal
Message: No worries I use to practise in my head ;).
However I'm very scared by this Oscar guy because he has stolen my first name AND he seems to play english. Being very paranoid I don't like this ;).
| Posted by macheide ability-tw.com
8/22/2002 16:53:06 | johnholland
Message: Once you understand the technique of this basic endgame, practice it in the following way: Put the pieces in one difficult position, and practice it against a friend. In a first stage take your time. When you get more skillful, do the same but with clocks. One of my friends and rutinary adversaries in my city is FM Carlos Garméndez. He loves to set the clocks: 1 minute for him, whatever for his opponent. He always wins with ease.
Best wishes.
| Posted by absolutegenius ability-tw.com
8/23/2002 08:23:15 | indeed, i was
Message: yup, i quoted from that book.
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