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| Posted by kingofpawns ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 13:37:47 |  Subject: If you could change...Message: any rule for the movement of pieces, would you or would you leave the game as is? If you decided to change a rule, what would be your proposal? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by calmrolfe ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 14:17:09 | Rule One Message: Random placement of the pieces of the first rank, with the proviso that the Bishops had to go on opposite colours. All existing theory would then be thrown out of the window, computer databases would be worthless and we could return to playing Chess as a test of our personal skills and our fundamental understanding of the game. Kind regards, Cal | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by tulkos ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 14:19:29 | you mean, Message: something like fischer random chess? ——— Two Chinese Players Are Finalists at Women’s World Chess Championship — The next women’s world chess champion will be Chinese, only her identity is not known. Humpy Koneru of India, the last non-Chinese player in the Women’s World Chess Championship tournament, was defeated by Hou Yifan of China in one semifinal on Friday. It was exactly the same result between the same two players as in a semifinal of the 2008 women’s championship. Alexandra Kosteniuk of Russia won the chess championship that year, beating Hou in the final. Now Hou, who is only 16, will get another shot at becoming the youngest world chess champion in history. She will have to beat Ruan Lufei, her countrywomen, to do it. Ruan got to the final by beating Zhao Xue, another ... Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 14:21:15 heres a site,Message: www.chessvariants.com/diffsetup.dir/fischer.html ——— California Boy, 9, Becomes Youngest U.S. Chess Master — A boy from Santa Clara, Calif., has become the youngest master in United States history, and there seems to be fewer concerns about his achievement than the previous record holder. The new master is Samuel Sevian. He set the record on Dec. 11, at the age of 9 years, 11 months and 11 days by tying for first in a small chess tournament at the Mechanics Institute in San Francisco. He broke the record held by Nicholas Nip, a San Francisco resident, by 11 days. Nip set the record in March 2008, but at the time there were some questions about how he did it. He had played chess matches against opponents who had volunteered to play him. Some masters criticized this practice. Hikaru Nakamura, ... Posted by taoistlunatic | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 15:23:17 random chess is awesome!Message: I love this idea, and I hope it catches on, I hate the huge volumes of opening theory that has made chess more of a memory game than a thinking game in the opening. Imagine playing a game of chess and actually having to think about your first few moves!!! ——— Chess Puzzles: Imagination Breeds Creativity — How do chess players create beautiful games and compositions? Do they dig deep into their memory and retrieve ideas of others or do they use their own imagination? Obviously, it is a combination of both, because what they learn and remember and what they create themselves goes hand in hand. The art of creating is remembering and imagining. Some years ago, I saw an interesting position in which only two pieces - queen and bishop - staged a successful attack on the black king. It was published in 1750 by Dominico Ercole del Rio, a lawyer from the Italian town of Modena, in his 110-page book on chess. As the title "Sopra il giuoco degli scacchi osservazioni pratiche ... Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 15:42:14 I have never memorized opening lines.Message: I learned some theory and a few main openings,and then I learn from experience.8-) ——— Magnus Carlsen's London Chess Classic can not conceal slump in form — Magnus Carlsen recovered from a terrible start of two defeats in three games, escaped miraculously from a lost endgame, triumphed at this week's London Chess Classic, won the €50,000 first prize, and regained the world No1 ranking. Yet arguably the 20-year-old Norwegian's play continued the form crisis which surfaced in October at the world team Olympiad. The problem is that Carlsen is a different chess player according to whether he has White or Black. With the white pieces he is sovereign and supreme, exploiting strategic advantages with the subtlety of Anatoly Karpov in his pomp, or patiently grinding and probing in level positions until his opponent cracks in time pressure. But as Black, Carlsen simply ... Posted by taoistlunatic | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 15:49:22 Yes, tulkos...Message: but you at least know the main theory of the first three or four moves... In random chess, two masters would sit down to the board and the players would have to use some time on their clocks just to decide upon the first move, the second and third move would require even more time!!! ——— Carlsen Wins London Chess Classic — Magnus Carlsen won the London Chess Classic by beating Nigel Short on Wednesday. Carlsen, a Norwegian grandmaster, has now won the tournament both years it has been played. All the other games in the final round were drawn, though two of them were hard fought. Carlsen finished with 13 points, using the Bilbao Scoring System, in which wins are worth 3 points and draws are 1. He had four wins, two losses and a draw. Viswanathan Anand of India, the world chess champion, and Luke McShane, an English grandmaster, tied for second and third, each with 11 points. They both won two games and drew five. If the more traditional scoring system of 1 point for a win and ... Posted by adrianallen | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 16:31:45 You seenMessage: 3 player chess. Board is a wierd shape and is designed for 3 players, not only do you need to checkmate one of your opponents you have to stop the other player doing it to either you or your opponent. Posted by __mda__ | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 16:31:58 To make it intersting..Message: once both white and black have played a move, roll two different coloured dice ( say white and red ). The dice numbers represent the following pieces: 1: pawn 2: knight 3: bishop 4: rook 5:queen 6: king the number rolled on the white die represents the chosen piece type. The number on the red die represents the kind of piece that the chosen piece will (from now on ) move like. So, if you roll a 3 and a 4, then from then on, bishops will move like rooks. If you roll a 6 and then a 1, kings will move like pawns. The dice rolls continue after both white and black have completed a move. Actually, forget it, it's a retarded idea.. the game would get crazily confusing... what was I thinking =) Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 8/08/2002 18:08:04 IMessage: am already confused.s) Posted by markarian | ability-tw.com 8/09/2002 04:19:31 my versionMessage: i like this as an idea, but i never tried that experiment: you play a game against a gameknot user. after about 20 moves you take your real chess board and put the chess figures on it, same positions like in the gameknot game. now you remove one figure, the bishop for example. you give this game to a real person who can play chess and she/he has to find out, which was the last position of the bishop, before you took the bishop away. all this surely without giving the first 20 moves to this person! maybe one can find it out only by thinking, or: maybe let the person make some moves and then you pretend the bishop to be there as a "ghost": only the person does not see the bishop!but you can move the bishop in your mind. how many moves does then the person need to find out the position of the bishop?it surely depends on the position! is that too confusing? will that experiment work? markarian Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 8/09/2002 05:19:25 IMessage: don't see why not! Posted by markarian | ability-tw.com 8/09/2002 06:51:20 Message: maybe not every kind of this problem that i described above can be solved uniquely. if the person made some moves to find out the position of the bishop,it could happen that, after a while, the game ends and there are still several possibilities where the bishop could have had his position?! Posted by adrianallen | ability-tw.com 8/09/2002 07:35:39 How aboutMessage: Finding some of the old rules of chess and trying to play it that way. I have some rules somewhere for an early indian version - Ill have to see if I can find them. Posted by anima | ability-tw.com 8/10/2002 04:45:57 free castlingMessage: Another interesting concept is "free castling". The player would be able to chose where he puts his king and rook: Instead of 0-0 the king can go to g1 or h1 and the rook can go to f1 or e1. Instead of 0-0-0 the king can go to a1, b1 or c1 and the rook can go to d1 or e1. More information can be found at www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz31.txt Posted by certainratio | ability-tw.com 8/10/2002 13:53:54 calmrolfeMessage: uou said: "All existing theory would then be thrown out of the window, computer databases would be worthless" This is not really true. There is much of chess theory that does not depend on the initial placement of the pieces. Only opening theory would be worthless. Also, databases would certainly not be worthless. Endgame databases would still have the same usefullness. Computers can now play every endgame with 5 pieces or less perfectly (maybe it's 4, not 5) be consulting databases. But your point is well taken regarding _opening_ theory and databases. By the way, if anyone's interested, I just calculated that there are 7200 ways of arranging one's pieces on the back row subject to the restriction that the bishops are on squares of opposite color. CertainRatio Posted by calmrolfe | ability-tw.com 8/10/2002 15:55:39 mdaMessage: Yeah.I really like that idea. I tried a game against a mate of mine and was real lucky with my dice throwing. I was able to instantly convert all eight of my pawns into Queens at the throw of a dice....boy, did I kick some *** in that game !!! Checkmate in ONE ! 1.Queen a2 - f7 CHECKMATE !! :) Cal Posted by zdrak | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 00:28:09 Message: If I could change any single rule, it would be the stalemate rule. I would want to try a kind of chess where Stalemate is a win for the side that inflicted it. Of course that changes a lot of the existing endgame theory, for example K+P vs. K now becomes a forced win always. Posted by brunetti | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 03:57:50 In K+P vs. KMessage: the stronger side cannot always force a stalemate. Consider positions where the pawn is lost, and positions with a rook pawn where the stronger King is confined, and will be stalemated. Alex Posted by zdrak | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 04:11:01 Message: Ok, but if we discard trivial positions where the pawn is quickly lost, and trivial positions where the stronger side's king is completely confined in front of the pawn, the stronger side ALWAYS can force either mate or stalemate. Of course counting stalemate as a win will change the evaluation of the KP/K endgame, and together with it the evaluation of the KRP/KR endgames, and many other endgames. In addition in a K+R vs K+B endgame (normally considered drawn), the side with the Rook is also able to force stalemate and thus win, no ? Ditto for KNN vs K. In fact, the majority of endgame theory will need to be re-evaluated, in view of this rule change, don't you think ? Hey, here is another idea: Combine my "win by stalemate rule" with "Fischer random placement" ! Both endgame theory and opening theory are thrown out of the window! ;-) Posted by brunetti | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 05:35:15 Why? :)Message: Why you would like to discard centuries of studies, analisys, masterpieces? What's wrong with current opening and endgame theory? :) Alex Posted by zdrak | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 05:48:42 Message: Alex, The very title of the current thread is "If you could change ... " Note the words IF and CHANGE here. Now some people say that the game of chess is fine as it is. Obviosly they have a good case! Chess is a truly great game, with a well-laid set of rules. It takes mere hours to study, yet years to perfect. However this particular thread is for people that want to play around with "what if we could ..." ideas. I am not saying that all the rule-changes suggested here are good (including my own). Nothing is "wrong" with current opening and endgame theory. We just want to kick around some "what if ..." ideas. Ok ? PS: Chess played under some of the rule-changes suggested above are perfectly capable of producing masterpieces as well. Just different types of masterpieces. PPS: So, Alex, do you have an idea for some fantastic rules-change you want to share with us ? Come on, don't be shy! Posted by maximus_pondus | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 08:22:02 stratego chessMessage: I would combine chess with the game of stratego and have stratego chess. There would be a few new pieces which is really cool. The archbishop, which is a knight stacked on top of a bishop. It can move like a knight or bishop, very deadly piece. There is also the chancellor which is a knight stacked on top of a rook. Adding these pieces to the game would make the game crazy. But I guess too much power would be on one board to ever play this. Posted by __mda__ | ability-tw.com 8/11/2002 13:24:25 calmrolfe..LOLMessage: hehehe yes, it's all in the wrist =) i've successfully changed a time-honoured artistic game of skill into, well, crap(s). Posted by tengaaru | ability-tw.com 8/12/2002 15:23:50 zdrakMessage: I believe that stalemate used to count as a win or lose a long time ago and not a draw. Posted by calmrolfe | ability-tw.com 8/15/2002 15:58:20 Fischer Random ChessMessage: On 16th August in Mainz, the first rapid chess open in Chess960 (Fischer Random Chess) will be played. The premiere of Chess960 will attract at least 25 grandmasters – among them are top players such as Svidler, Alexei Dreev (Russia/2676) and Rafael Vaganjan from Armenia (2678). The total sum of up to 7,000 euros first prize is also the target for junior players such as Krishnan Sasikiran from India (2650) and 15 year old Andrei Volokitin, the Ukrainian newcomer from Ponomariov’s camp. The 20 best players have a rating average of more than 2600 Elo. This should give us all a good chance to see just how the new system works in top level competitive chess matches. Kind regards, Cal |