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| Posted by knightrider7 ability-tw.com 7/18/2002 19:33:42 |  Subject: TOP TEN ALL TIMEMessage: LIST THE TOP TEN ALL TIME BEST CHESS PLAYERS IN ORDER. YES, COMPUTERS "CAN" MAKE THE LIST. BASE THE LIST ON PURE PLAYING ABILITY AT THEIR PEAK NOT LONGEVITY OR LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT. ALSO LIST 5 HONORABLE MENTIONS (FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HATE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by brobishkin ability-tw.com 7/18/2002 23:03:45 | Hmmm... Message: Give me a break... Computer programs make moves humans programmed them to move... How can they possibly make the list... The new chess programs are getting tougher but will never be able to compare to the Masters... Bro... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by poisonedpawn78 ability-tw.com 7/18/2002 23:11:44 | easy Message: Alexander Alekhine Robert Fischer there is the top 10 chess players . PP ——— The 2011 SPICE Cup — This week I am in Lubbock, Texas, for the annual SPICE Cup Chess Tournament. SPICE stands for Susan Polgar Institute for Chess Excellence, an organization devoted to the promotion of chess education and outreach headquartered at Texas Tech University. Susan is a former Women's World Chess Champion who works alongside her husband, Paul Truong, (a strong chess master in his own right) to organize all sorts of tournaments, chess classes and chess camps. The SPICE Cup is, by far, the strongest chess tournament they organize, and it is one of the strongest tournaments held annually in the U.S. each year. This year there are three different sections, each with several grandmasters. The strongest ... Posted by sr_ajedrez | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 01:23:26 ??Message: Alekhine ? could be a 40 miles all time runner i wont speak about Fischer ( i dont like the guy but his chess speaks by itself) id say Tal, Kasparov,Capablanca of course, Fishcer ,Bronstein, Botvinik,Alekhine,Nimzowitch, Karpov at his peak, Keres perhaps. i could reevaluate the list i guess. but this is my list for now. regardz ——— Chess: the bishop sacrifice — RB: My second nomination for chess book of the year is Sacking the Citadel: The History, Theory and Practice of the Classic Bishop Sacrifice by Jon Edwards (Russell Enterprises). It always looks so tempting: the enemy knight chased from the key defensive square at f6, our bishop unobstructed on the b1-h7 diagonal, knight on f3, queen on its starting square ready to race to h5 or d3. Most of us have tried Bxh7+ at one time or other, and most of us probably have experience of messing it up. When is the sacrifice sound? What forces does White need to press home the attack? What defensive resources can Black conjure up to frustrate us? These are the questions Edwards addresses. Divided into ... Posted by brobishkin | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 01:55:34 The List...Message: #1. Alekhine #2. Kasparov #3. Fischer #4. Capablanca #5. Morphy #6. Lasker #7. Karpov #8. Tal #9. Nimzowitch #10. Steintz Just shooting from the top of my head... But these are my opinion of the top players of all time, in order... Bro... ——— Chess Tournament in Chicago Teaches Discipline — The 120 elementary school children sat so quietly and intently that you might have assumed this was a mass detention period. But it was chess, not confinement, in an Oak Brook hotel ballroom on Columbus Day. And the lessons learned might assist school leaders everywhere, including those attempting a systemwide resuscitation for Rahm Emanuel, Chicago’s very disciplined, if impatient, mayor. “My dream is to get in front of education decision makers and convince them to make chess part of the curriculum for K through second grade,” said Susan Polgar, the star of the show. “That’s when thinking patterns and habits are formed. It should be mandatory, like physical education.” Ms. Polgar, ... Posted by calmrolfe | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 03:38:33 The ListMessage: #1 Kasparov #2 Fischer #3 Alekhine #4 Em.Lasker #5 Tal #6 Morphy #7 Philidor #8 Keres #9 Pillsbury #10 Mir Sultan Khan ——— Magnus Carlsen recovers from slow start to win Grand Slam in Bilbao — Magnus Carlsen is very strong in the decisive final rounds of chess tournaments, and the world No1 again showed his quality this week in the home stretch of the Grand Slam final at Bilbao. The Norwegian recovered from his drab start to the chess event, overhauled the runaway leader Vasily Ivanchuk with the win below, then again defeated the Ukrainian 1.5-0.5 in a speed tie-break to clinch first place. Carlsen, 20, rarely dominates chess tournaments, but he is tough through skiing and soccer, inventive in a crisis, and has a will to win on a par with the ultimate chess legends Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov. Ivanchuk, 42, tired after his fine start. World chess champion Vishy Anand was uninspired and ... Posted by __mda__ | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 06:28:20 Sultan Khan?Message: Yeah, he was a very strong player, no doubt about that, but #10 all time? And where is Capa? ——— Chess: Magnus Carlsen Is Master of the Late Rally — When he was ranked No. 1 a few years ago, Veselin Topalov got into a strange habit of falling behind in chess tournaments before storming back to win. Magnus Carlsen, the current top chess player, is following a similar pattern. He won the Bilbao Chess Masters event on Tuesday, but he had to rally to do it. He won two of his last three games, including one over the early leader, Vassily Ivanchuk, to tie for first. He then beat Ivanchuk in a two-game blitz playoff. It was the third time in the last two years that Carlsen had to overcome an early deficit to capture first place. In 2010, he did the same thing at the Tata Steel chess tournament in the Netherlands and the London Chess Classic. He also made ... Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 07:24:28 Message: 1.TAL 2.CAPABLANCA,ALEKHINE 3.BOTVINNIK 4.FISCHER 5.EM.LASKER 6.MORPHY 7.PHILIDOR 8.KARPOV 9.PILLSBURY 10.EUWE Posted by acne | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 07:34:44 Message: I've to choose Capablanca,JR as my #1 favorite now Posted by maximus_pondus | ability-tw.com 7/19/2002 09:39:09 Message: 1 Morphy 2 Fisher 3 Kasparov 4 Spassky 5 Alekhine 6 Capablanca 7 Euwe 8 Karpov 9 Pillsbury 10 Tal Posted by frodan | ability-tw.com 7/20/2002 07:33:19 ....deja-vu...Message: ...didnt we do this already in another thread?or maybe it is those mushrooms i had for lunch..... Posted by brobishkin | ability-tw.com 7/20/2002 10:21:47 Deja-vu...Message: Yes Frodan... This has been done before... Been there, done that, got the T-shirt... But repeated threads happen all the time... Bro... Posted by vietnamese_girl_18 | ability-tw.com 7/20/2002 11:06:51 Message: So, if there are repeated threads, why not repeated posts? I'm actually crazy enough to save what I post (or, at least, most things). Here is what I posted in the last "top ten" thread: The Informant publication, which I believe would likely only be read by serious chess players (or people who really, really WISH to be serious chess players!), conducted a poll of their readers on the 10 best players of all time. I'm going by memory (it's somewhere on the internet, but I'm too lazy to find it now because the address is strange), and here is the final selection in order of greatness: 1. Fischer 2. Kasparov 3. Alekhine 4. Capablanca (ok, these four I know are in the right order-- from here on, I'm not 100% sure of the order) 5. Botvinnik 6. Tal 7. Karpov 8. Lasker 9. Korchnoi 10. Anand Now, I don't know how Anand got onto this list... I guess the poll was conducted during his strong string of tournament victories, but I'm sure he would not make the list today. Sarah Tran Posted by vennegoortheend | ability-tw.com 7/22/2002 11:46:53 EUWEMessage: 1. Euwe 2. Fischer 3. Kasparov That is how it should be Posted by philaretus | ability-tw.com 7/22/2002 12:03:20 Is there anyone.....Message: .....outside the Netherlands who regards Dr Euwe as the best chessplayer of all time? :o To be fair, his two-volume study, "The Middle Game", IS one of the best chess books of all time. Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 7/22/2002 12:17:47 euweMessage: was a great player---just not one of the very best. he was a little outclassed by capablanca and alekhine---but he did manage to make the world championship,so he is one of the best ever. Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 7/23/2002 12:24:40 TOP 10 OF ALL TIME.Message: ACCORDING TO VARIOUS MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS COMBINED. 01.FISCHER AGE(29.14)2921(O4/30/1972)+12 02.CAPABLANCA AGE(33.11)2921(12/30/1921) 03.KASPAROV AGE(36.86)2899(02/21/2000)? 04.LASKER AGE(51.01)2886(12/31/1919) 05.ANAND AGE(31.52)2846(06/18/2001) 06.KRAMNIK AGE(26.19)2841(09/03/2001)? 07.MORPHY AGE(27.51)2840(12/31/1864) 08.STEINITZ AGE(41.61)2834(12/31/1877) 09.BOTVINNIK AGE(38.37)2828(12/31/1949) 10.ALEKHINE AGE(38.16)2827(12/31/1930) Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 7/23/2002 12:27:31 ABOUT THE + AND ? Message: THE + MEANS THAT PLAYER HAS BEEN OVER 2900 AND THE ? MEANS SOME DISHONESTY MIGHT OF TAKEN PLACE! Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 7/24/2002 15:32:20 THE NEXT 10(TOP 20)Message: ACCORDING TO VARIOUS MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS COMBINED. 11.KARPOV AGE(44.44)2816(10/31/1995) 12.IVANCHUK AGE(26.94)2813(02/29/1996) 13.SHIROV AGE(27.40)2794(11/29/1999) 14.KORCHNOI AGE(47.77)2776(12/31/1978) 15.STAUNTON AGE(42.99)2770(12/31/1852) 16.LEKO AGE(20.50)2768(03/06/2000) 17.KAMSKY AGE(21.83)2765(01/31/1996)? 18.TOPALOV AGE(26.45)2766(08/27/2001) 19.SPASSKY AGE(35.91)2764(12/31/1972) 20.FINE AGE(34.41)2759(12/31/1948) Posted by __mda__ | ability-tw.com 7/28/2002 08:49:10 hmmm...Message: Staunton? Had more playing ability than Leko/Kamsky/Topalov/Spassky/Fine? Uh, perhaps that list needs a little work. Posted by absolutegenius | ability-tw.com 7/29/2002 01:52:35 brobishkinMessage: chess computers have the potential to mutalate humans over the board. the more advanced computers don't do the moves that humans tell them too-they think, in part, for themselves. they can think ahead further, and more accuratly, than humans, especially the more powerful ones. computers rock! please correct me if i'm wrong, cause i'm not sure about everything. Posted by gunnarsamuelsson | ability-tw.com 7/29/2002 04:44:57 my l1stMessage: 1 Paul Morphy 2 Emmanuel Las1er 3 Ale1hne 4 F1scher 5 1asparov * play1ng strength reversed -readng bottom- top Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 7/29/2002 18:34:08 AND YOUR AND ABSOLUTEGENIUSMessage: HMMMM? Posted by absolutegenius | ability-tw.com 7/30/2002 01:32:52 AND YOUR AND ABSOLUTEGENIUSMessage: ??? Posted by frodan | ability-tw.com 7/30/2002 07:00:07 ..computer programs....Message: ...i dont see the top ten list for programs,did i miss something?there was a recent competition involving computer programs and humans if i remember correctly,and a human superGm triumphed,can someone pliz remind us?..... Posted by thegreatpolgar | ability-tw.com 7/30/2002 09:23:19 TheMessage: 10th world computer chess championship was hold from july 5-11 in the Netherlands. The winner was Junior after 2 tie-break games against Shredder. Junior(7.5) Shredder(7.5) Brutus(7.0) Quest(6.0) Diep(5.0) Warp(5.0) Parsos(4.5) Chinito(4.5) Goliath(4.5) Isichess_X(4.5) Ikarus(4.5) and so on. The games was played with 60 moves in 2 hours and 30 min for rest of the game. 9 rounds by the way. I am not sure if it was this info you asked for Frodan or you meant the Gulko vs Computers match were Gulko drew both games against Deep Junior, lost one and drew one against Deep Fritz, lost one won one against Shredder, and drew one lost one against Hiarcs 8. Then there is the Smirin vs Computers match were Smirin did very well with 2 draws against Deep Junior, one draw one win against Tiger, one win one draw against Shredder, and 2 draws against Hiarcs 8. Posted by frodan | ability-tw.com 7/30/2002 10:03:24 ..thanx..Message: ..thegreatpolgar for that info,it was Smirin i was r4eferring to...... Posted by thegreatpolgar | ability-tw.com 7/30/2002 17:11:17 YoureMessage: welcome :-) Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 7/31/2002 14:00:29 MY PERSONAL SELECTIONS FROM THE PAST Message: BASED ON OTHER RATING CALCULATIONS FROM NATHAN DIVINSKY AND VARIOUS OTHER FORMULAS. 01.FISCHER 02.MORPHY 03.KASPAROV 04.KARPOV 05.CAPABLANCA 06.LASKER 07.BOTVINNIK 08.ALEKHINE 09.KORCHNOI 10.SPASSKY Posted by brunetti | ability-tw.com 7/31/2002 17:15:13 Edmaster's lawMessage: "Whatever combination of formulas, ratings and calculations you employ, Bobby Fischer will rank first". Alex Posted by cairo | ability-tw.com 8/01/2002 12:35:27 IMessage: believe this thread belong in the Chess related forum! Best wishes Cairo Posted by cairo | ability-tw.com 8/01/2002 12:39:49 IgnoreMessage: the above message, it is allready there!! Hmmmm.......... maybe I have been away to long from the Forums :-)) Cairo Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 8/03/2002 12:45:44 DI FISCHERMessage: SUO BRUNETTI DI COMPAGNO DI SCACCHI GIUSTO! MA,UN GIORNO NEL FUTURO SOPRA UN GAMEKNOT CHESSBOARD FRANTUMERO' IL SUO SIMILE A SKULL UNA TORTA DI PIZZA!:) IL SUO DEMISE DI FUTURO VERRA' DAL SUO EDMASTER DI COMPAGNO DI SCHACHI SUO E' DI ANDARE DI ESSERE PASTA QUANDO SONO FATTO CON LEI! Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 8/03/2002 13:11:28 FISCHERS PERFORMANCE RATING! Message: AFTER CRUSHING TAIMANOV AND LARSEN IN THE CANDIDATES MATCHES IN 1971 WAS(3050)! Posted by brunetti | ability-tw.com 8/03/2002 19:52:48 Dear Edmaster,Message: congratulations for your translation attempt (Babelfish?), but I hope your moves are far better than that :) Your challenge is welcome and accepted: tell me how would you like to start, how many games (best of 24?) and if they should be played simultaneously or one at a time. A last thing: how can you calculate a performance of a 100% score? Alex Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 8/04/2002 13:12:38 TO BRUNETTI Message: I TRIED TO GIVE IT TO YA IN ITALIAN AND MY GRANDMOTHER IS ITALIAN FROM A SMALL CITY SOMEWHERE NORTHWEST OF ROME!SHE'S(100%) ITALIAN! Posted by brunetti | ability-tw.com 8/04/2002 15:37:39 NW of Rome?Message: Do you remember the name of that town? It should be not far from here :) Alex Posted by certainratio | ability-tw.com 8/05/2002 10:32:04 the bestMessage: the best player of all time in my opinion is Kasparov. Leko and Kramnik also make my top ten (Leko is destined for greatness). CertainRatio Posted by brunetti | ability-tw.com 10/05/2002 05:28:37 Dear edmaster,Message: 7 months ago you wrote about crushing my skull, but no challenge is yet arrived here. Why? Best regards, Alex Posted by komei | ability-tw.com 10/05/2002 20:04:59 Hmmm I notice...Message: ...a direct relationship between country of player and how 'good' they are. Of course Fischer is now a traitor and deserves death, but even before then he was never the best in the world, 5th best at his best! Posted by death_by_pawns | ability-tw.com 10/05/2002 21:26:57 My top 10 playasMessage: 1. Pie. Posted by edmaster | ability-tw.com 10/07/2002 09:33:49 TO MR BUDDY OL PAL MR KOMEI Message: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT! Posted by tulkos | ability-tw.com 10/07/2002 10:33:06 I challenged Ed once,Message: he wrote back saying he had to many skulls to crush----which must mean his threats are lightly thrown out and mean nothing!! Posted by triangulator | ability-tw.com 10/07/2002 11:42:34 top 10+ honorable mentionsMessage: kasparov alekhine capablanca fischer lasker bronstein nimsovich botvinnik korchnoi spasky-- triangulator |