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Posted by knightrider7
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7/14/2002
16:57:51
Subject: who was the greatest pre-teen chess player

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i've heard it said that Samuel Reshevsky was the only true chess prodigy because he was beating grandmasters as a pre-teen. who else played great chess at such a young age?

Posted by v_glorioso12
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7/15/2002
15:34:07


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Bobby Fischer, oh, there is a 14-year-old, Hikaru Nakamura, he lives in white plains, new york, and he is 2511 USCF.... but.... he's not really a pre-teen....

Posted by brobishkin
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7/15/2002
19:44:46
Nothing compairs...

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Bobby Fischer... The one and only Chess Prodigy in his own unique way...

Bro... and his own opinion...


Posted by brunetti
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7/15/2002
20:04:54
A prodigy

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is usually defined as a baby under 10-12 years performing as a superior adult; I don't know about Fischer's great performances before his 12, while Reshevsky gave simultaneous exhibitions at age of 8.

Alex


Posted by derolleole
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7/15/2002
20:10:25
DEAR CHESSCOMRADES

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IT WAS REALLY THE WORLD'S GREATEST PLAYER, MR. BOBBY FISHER WHO BEATED SOME GMS IN HIS EARLY YEARS. HE WASNT ONLY THE GREATEST ADULT PLAYER OF ALL TIMES ALSO THE BEST TEEN GENIUS CRUSHING ALL THOSE SKULLS OF HIS POOR VICTIMS OF HIS AGE.

Oh my god, what did I do ?
I sincerely apologize for this "blasphemic" kind of posting.

But did you all know already, that it's really not that easy to write with that caps ? Punctuation isn't possible at all :)

Comfortably dumb, Ole


Posted by zdrak
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7/15/2002
23:01:08
Arturo Pomar

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I believe Arturo Pomar made a draw with Alekhine when he was 10 or 12 (that is, Pomar was 10, not Alekhine ;-)

Later Pomar went on to become a top-class GM, but he never was a contender for world championship.


Posted by acne
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7/15/2002
23:41:16


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Etienne Bacrot?

Posted by tonlesu
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7/16/2002
00:21:09
Fischer

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It certainly wasn't Fischer! The question was pre-teen wasn't it? In July 1956 Fischer (13yrs. 3mo.) won a junior tournament in Philly---As Edmaster has told us, lo these many times, his uscf rating at that time was 1830, hardly scintilating. He was definitely not a pre-teen phenom.

Posted by zdrak
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7/16/2002
00:44:17
statistically speaking ...

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According to the chess-statistics site chessmetrics.com, the strongest pre-teen of all times was Alexander Riazantsev, who scored an amazing 2360 rating somewhere between his 10th and 11th birthdays

look here:

www.chessmetrics.com/AL/AL11.htm


Posted by calmrolfe
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7/16/2002
01:34:11
Sergei Karjakin of UKRAINE is 2489

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Twelve year old Sergei Karjakin of the Ukraine has already defeated many Grandmasters and now has an ELO of 2489. When he was just eleven years old he was appointed as Trainer to Ruslan Ponomariov and helped Ruslan to win the FIDE World Championship in 2001.

Kind regards,

Cal


Posted by legion
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7/16/2002
07:14:42
Derolleole

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LOL. Big plus for that! :-)

Posted by __mda__
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7/16/2002
09:34:32
what about..

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Capablanca? Didn't he beat Corzo ( champion of Cuba ) when he was 11 or 12? Corzo wasn't of grandmaster strength but was still a strong player..

Posted by derolleole
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7/16/2002
13:30:03
Bacrot, Etienne...

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...is a very good player now.

born: 1983
FIDE ELO: 2653, GM

Has scored an amazing 3045 in the german Bundesliga 1999/2000, 6 points out of 6 games.
But I don't know if he was that strong before ?

Besides: Thanx, legion :)

Comfortably dumb, Ole


Posted by brunetti
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7/16/2002
17:24:46
How is the 3045

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performance calculated, since a 100% score has a performance equivalent of infinite points? :)

Alex


Posted by calmrolfe
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7/17/2002
01:19:47
Polgar also

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Sofia Polgar also was credited with a 3000+ ELO performance in a Tournament, thus proving that on occasions she can rival her young sibling (Judit).

Posted by atrifix
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7/17/2002
14:13:27


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Certainly Fischer was not a pre-teen prodigy, he was merely average, and he claims that one day he just "got good".

The most obvious choice for young prodigy is probably Capablanca, however, who allegedly learned how to play chess very well when he was only four years old, and defeated Corzo and Marshall soundly in matches in his formative years. Also, Morphy should be mentioned; although he did not play very many matches or games, he was an extremely dominant player from a very early age.

Of course, now there are all kinds of preteen sensations, but none are able to dominate in the same way that Capablanca, Reshevsky, etc. did.


Posted by derolleole
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7/18/2002
07:33:33
Good question, brunetti...

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but I think that the way of calculating the german national ratings allows such "scores".
Also, I only copied the score from the german database of national ratings.

But don't ask me how it is calculated, I haven't got the time to translate the whole calculation text from the german version :)

Comfortably dumb, Ole


Posted by vennegoortheend
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7/22/2002
04:16:29
11 year old boy

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There is an 11 year old boy out of russia named:
(I forgot) who has got 2 GM results allready and is tactical speciallist and helped Topalov at the 'worldchampionship candidates'






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